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    Posted: Dec/01/2011 at 8:34pm
Well it's that time again.  Here's our junk so far.  Big thanks to Cartesian Tube Profiling for making this year's build fly!


And with our newest model, Gage.

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I don't think the tech judges are going to like your SIM, Chris.
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Actually, this is how its done.

Our first attempt at welding we decided wouldn't pass tech, so we had to make a 2nd try at it.


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I see nothing but little red x's from Chris... but I like the use of the DTNW process, that is Duct Tape Nascar Welding.
 
 
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Laser notched tubes? Frame looks a few inches shorter length wise than last year?
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That's just because it doesn't have the back half yet, it really shortens up a car if you cut off those heavy rear wheels and that whole engine deal.

You gotta look at the details.
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Originally posted by ErikHardy ErikHardy wrote:

Laser notched tubes? Frame looks a few inches shorter length wise than last year?

CNC bent and notched by the good folks at Cartesian Tube Profiling.

Anybody got any new junk to show off for 2012?
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We have a lot of new junk in the works and have recently started serious fabrication. Our team traditionally doesn't like showing things in advance though so no pics yet... It's all about the surprise.
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I bet it ends up being red, black, and carbon fiber Tongue
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Probably a pretty safe bet... at least while I still have a say
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Originally posted by collinskl1 collinskl1 wrote:

I bet it ends up being red, black, and carbon fiber Tongue
 
Sounds like a joke... "What's red, black, and carbon fiber all over?"
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We might have 3 pedals...
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Zero Carbon fibre and possibly Aluminum in interesting places.
 
How much was Cartesian Chris?
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Since this thread needs more pictures:



Despite me saying, "the shoulder bar needs to be 5" lower this year" we added a second shoulder bar.


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Originally posted by p.lewis p.lewis wrote:

"What's red, black, and carbon fiber all over?"

I think that might have to go on our firewall this year
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Originally posted by LukeS LukeS wrote:

Despite me saying, "the shoulder bar needs to be 5" lower this year" we added a second shoulder bar.

I saw that, and was about to ask...

But I like the use of ratchet straps to square up the frame, we did the same thing with our nose this year.
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I like all those wooden jigs... that looks like an good, fast, AND cheap way to go... and the teachers always said that was impossible Tongue
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Originally posted by collinskl1 collinskl1 wrote:

I like all those wooden jigs... that looks like an good, fast, AND cheap way to go... and the teachers always said that was impossible Tongue


And if you use pine, you get a pleasant aroma while welding LOL


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The MDF works excellent for a one off vehicle.  2 sheets of 1" MDF were purchased for our 2011 baja and so far it looks like we'll be able to get the 2012 baja out of them as well.

The frame has been extremely precise so far.  One bar is out by 1/16" and that was due to a piece of tubing being fish mouthed short.
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Originally posted by LukeS LukeS wrote:

The MDF works excellent for a one off vehicle. 
 
Since it's mostly glue and the fibers are not lined up an any particular direction (i.e. wood), it ends up being pretty dimensionally stable with RH and temperature swings in your shop. I think a sheet of MDF on a sturdy table is great for making a fixture for the RRH and other stuff all in the same plane.
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Nice frame vivlashay! Which nodes does your front suspension connect to?

EDIT: Nevermind, I think I see where your suspension mounts will go.


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Originally posted by schooter schooter wrote:

Nice frame vivlashay! Which nodes does your front suspension connect to?

EDIT: Nevermind, I think I see where your suspension mounts will go.
Thanks, suspension mounts to the lower 2 bars
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Originally posted by Soccerdan7 Soccerdan7 wrote:

We have a lot of new junk in the works and have recently started serious fabrication. Our team traditionally doesn't like showing things in advance though so no pics yet... It's all about the surprise.


pfft tradition, we just dont have anyone on the forums no harm in progress update.  I have some pics, but I went back to CO and left my mini USB cord in NY so I cant pull them off my camera... yet.  The frame should be totally done by this weds, minus tabs (at least thats the plan, it was missing about 6 bars when i left).  Should also have most if not all control arms done by then too.  Got some front uprights done in the CNC before I left.  Rear suspension is a departure from what we've done, but nothing new to baja.  Car should be much much lighter this year.

theres also1-2 new things that I'm excited about (not my projects, wont spill the beans)

is the central michigan with the clearanced LFS tubes? does that make fitting a seat a pain, and have you have problems getting high centered in the past?

also (dont have the post in front of me) but i think its kettering, those sims are interesting.  never thought of running them like that.

we've always mitered all of our bars with air tool stones.  Our tube bending sponsor also struggles getting our tubes properly bent (LFS were bent almost twice as much as the drawing said, at least they got the hard bars doen correctly) so we have to revert to bending some tubes ourselves.  Also drastically improved our jigging set up this year, making everything a breeze to set correctly.  Its nice to have a grid of holes all under your frame for fixturing too.


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Originally posted by otto otto wrote:



is the central michigan with the clearanced LFS tubes? does that make fitting a seat a pain, and have you have problems getting high centered in the past?



What clearance are you referring to on the LFS tubes?  We haven't had any troubles with fitting a seat with the setup we run.  We have run the rake in our frame for the past 3 years, it gives us more clearance and helps with ergonomics...the reasoning behind it is that when the driver is seated his legs are bent and the area under his legs is unused so the rake reduces this area and allows for more clearance over obstacles.
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just the fact they arent flat.  probably the camera angle, that point where they are moved up looks close to the firewall
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Originally posted by otto otto wrote:


also (dont have the post in front of me) but i think its kettering, those sims are interesting.  never thought of running them like that.

 We've found its much easier to fabricate the sims that way with our frame at least. The sims and triangulating members were cut,bent,notched and tacked in within about 2 hours.
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Originally posted by ErikHardy ErikHardy wrote:

Originally posted by otto otto wrote:


also (dont have the post in front of me) but i think its kettering, those sims are interesting.  never thought of running them like that.

 We've found its much easier to fabricate the sims that way with our frame at least. The sims and triangulating members were cut,bent,notched and tacked in within about 2 hours.
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It doesn’t seem to comply with the rules the way I read them.  How do you justify it?  I could be interpreting it wrong.

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is a SIM allowed to consist of more than one piece of tube?

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The sim doesn't have to be continuous. Check out last years thread, we did the same thing.

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This is what we have have been working on. The frame is almost all tacked together. We still need to add the front part of the SIMs.
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haha.....sexy curves on that there roll hoop!!Thumbs Up TTU should have copyrighted that.
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Haha, yeah probably, our car from the last year had a similar firewall. But the idea for it came from TTU. The lower side tubes which are kinda hard too see have some pretty wicked bends in them. It's one continuous tube from the firewall to the node the SIMs will go into.

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yeah, bends like that usually take a few tries or someone with a bit of experience. Unless you have bending software and a bender that's calibrated.

I like the idea of using bends like you got, its something you can actually justify in design judging. Your reducing the frontal area and increasing top speed. I estimated last year that we were loosing close to 3 hp with a speed in the low 30's. Every little bit of that firewall you can get rid of helps.
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I wasn't there when they bent the first set but I think they got the firewall bent on the first try. I think we figured last years firewall was about 1sq foot smaller than our previous design. The floor tubes were bent twice. There are two bend planes 34 degrees apart... It was kinda tense bending them and not bending them too far.
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Originally posted by schooter schooter wrote:

haha.....sexy curves on that there roll hoop!!Thumbs Up TTU should have copyrighted that.

Dang it we need to stop throwing out all our old firewalls, they keep popping up on other people's cars.

On a side note, when we did it, we made the bottom quite a bit narrower.
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Here is 41,008 words about our car thus far.
 
 
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What's a "jig"?
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What's a "jig"?


Its a type of dance.
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Originally posted by S&Tminer baja S&Tminer baja wrote:

Gawl, frames are awesome when done correctly.
 
I bet whoever designed that frame and jigging setup is pretty badass. Maybe S&T will finally get to make a decent showing this time around.


Not if the ******s in charge of us have any say about it.  We're doomed!
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Originally posted by T Fears MS&T T Fears MS&T wrote:

Originally posted by CLReedy21 CLReedy21 wrote:

What's a "jig"?


Its a type of dance.

Good.  For a second I though I was supposed to have one to build a frame!  Tongue
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Originally posted by CLReedy21 CLReedy21 wrote:

Originally posted by T Fears MS&T T Fears MS&T wrote:

Originally posted by CLReedy21 CLReedy21 wrote:

What's a "jig"?


Its a type of dance.

Good.  For a second I though I was supposed to have one to build a frame!  Tongue

You don't have a frame building dance?! You're missing out.
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Originally posted by VivaLaShay VivaLaShay wrote:

You don't have a frame building dance?! You're missing out.

Only an unofficial one.  It's called the "Try-to-move-the-frame-by-grabbing-a-freshly-welded-node".  What you do is burn the shampoo out of your hand then flail around like a crack head on your way to the sink.
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