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    Posted: Jan/28/2016 at 2:11pm
Originally posted by wilkesbaja wilkesbaja wrote:

We have these 4 Fox shocks that we inherited from the Baja club that existed at our school from 5 years ago. We do not have purchase receipts for them but I believe they are considered school property. Does anyone know if using these on our Baja would be legal and if so do we need some sort of purchase receipt or signature from the school?

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1) This is the wrong section for this question as it in no way shape or form relates to suspension design literature, or even just suspension design. Please review the rules of the forum before posting here.

2) you do not need to show a receipt to the judges. However, you must find an online price in USD for those shocks and include that receipt in your cost report.

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We have these 4 Fox shocks that we inherited from the Baja club that existed at our school from 5 years ago. We do not have purchase receipts for them but I believe they are considered school property. Does anyone know if using these on our Baja would be legal and if so do we need some sort of purchase receipt or signature from the school?

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Here is an interesting article I found which has to do with roll situations and could be considered literature. Helped me a ton and prevented some mistakes in my calculations.

uploads/2704/Roll_Center_Myths_and_Reality.pdf

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satishkumar.yadala2012@vit.ac.in this is my email id

pls send me all designs and material regarding trailing arm three link suspension


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Originally posted by satishkumaryadala satishkumaryadala wrote:

Can anyone explain trailing arm three link geometry and how to find its instantaneous center, roll center , motion ratio and what are the advantages and disadvantages


Satishkumaryadala, give you your email. I will send you all the information you require and also some designs that we used.


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Can anyone explain trailing arm three link geometry and how to find its instantaneous center, roll center , motion ratio and what are the advantages and disadvantages


MY EMAIL ID : satishkumar.yadala2012@vit.ac.in



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Originally posted by ranjan79 ranjan79 wrote:

Can you please send me the pdf of those books. My email is rohit5971ranjan@gmail.com
Speciall terramechanics of off road vehicle.
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Can you please send me the pdf of those books. My email is rohit5971ranjan@gmail.com
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Arms are attached at the shoulders. For reference: http://kids.niehs.nih.gov/games/songs/childrens/bonesmid.htm
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Can you guys tell me how to install a king pin in a double Wish bone arrangement? and where are arms attached??
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I didn't see where anyone recommended it, but
Theory of Land Locomotion by Bekker
is a good read as well. I found an online version of it here

http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015000986904;view=1up;seq=1
 
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What does this have to do with suspension literature?
 
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Frist step of the baja design is the suspension geometry.
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Exactly. The frame is there to support the designs of the other systems, not the other way around. If your frame is making it hard to mount your suspension, change the frame.
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In my experience, it is much easier to design your chassis around your suspension mount points than it is to design your suspension around your chassis. Not saying that it couldn't be done but your going to get some weird geometry I can imagine
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how do we apply a-arm on an inclined rod? like i have a problem with my a-arms as we have to fabricate one for a tapering nose. anybody can help?
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Originally posted by tp tp wrote:

Looks like someone has already posted it:

http://www.4wheelunderground.com/Suspension-411.html
 
Without any of the accompanying images and graphics in the original article.
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This is not Off-Road related, and certainly not for beginners, but it sure is interesting.

http://www.ukipme.com/mag_vehicledynamics.htm

I just signed up for monthly subscription (free!)

They also have many other magazines, including:
Automotive Testing,
Crash Test Technology,
Electric and Hybrid Vehicle Technology,
Engine Technology,
Industrial Vehicle Technology,
Professional Motorsports,
Tire Technology,
and many others...

http://www.ukipme.com/mag_index.htm

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Looks like someone has already posted it:

http://www.4wheelunderground.com/Suspension-411.html
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@p.lewis - Did the magazine folks get back to you? I found the back issue with me. Did you want me to share it? I could scan it but first let me know if there are any ill-consequences of doing so. Don't want this to come bite my rear end later.
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Originally posted by p.lewis p.lewis wrote:

 
Maybe 4WD Toyota Owner magazine would give us a PDF of the article that Tony Riviera was talking about and permission to post it on the forum. It was the July/August 2010 magazine, and the article was called "Ultimate Suspension Guide". The backorder copy of the edition in PDF on a disk only costs $7.
 
I'll shoot them an email and see if they'll do it for free in the interests of higher education.


I think I have the copy saved with me. I'll look in my boxes and let you know.
After I had read it, I did not feel it was a 'great' first exposure to the newbie on suspension principles but there are some practical matters in the article that concerns real world rigs much bigger than Baja SAE cars.
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Originally posted by Ukraine Train Ukraine Train wrote:

Originally posted by Tony Rivera Tony Rivera wrote:

The July/August edition of 4WD Toyota Owner magazine has a very detailed write up (about 6 pages of tiny text) on how roll centers and roll axis and such effect handling, and how things should be set up for desert racing vs. rock crawling. It is by far the best write up on suspension I have seen published in any magazine.


Do you still have this issue by chance? Care to scan the article for us?
 
Maybe 4WD Toyota Owner magazine would give us a PDF of the article that Tony Riviera was talking about and permission to post it on the forum. It was the July/August 2010 magazine, and the article was called "Ultimate Suspension Guide". The backorder copy of the edition in PDF on a disk only costs $7.
 
I'll shoot them an email and see if they'll do it for free in the interests of higher education.


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Originally posted by Tony Rivera Tony Rivera wrote:

The July/August edition of 4WD Toyota Owner magazine has a very detailed write up (about 6 pages of tiny text) on how roll centers and roll axis and such effect handling, and how things should be set up for desert racing vs. rock crawling. It is by far the best write up on suspension I have seen published in any magazine.


Do you still have this issue by chance? Care to scan the article for us?
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Seriously, as mentioned in some other thread previously... I think Dust to Glory should be mandatory cinematic veiwing.


Should be mandatory? 

Where have you been man?  Its been mandatory for the past 6 years!

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Seriously, as mentioned in some other thread previously... I think Dust to Glory should be mandatory cinematic veiwing.
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Originally posted by tp tp wrote:

Can we make all 5 of the Fast and the Furious movies required literature?
 
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Originally posted by tp tp wrote:

Can we make all 5 of the Fast and the Furious movies required literature?
 
Too Soon.....
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Can we make all 5 of the Fast and the Furious movies required literature?
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I've made the thread a sticky and merged every thread I could find regarding suspension literature.
 
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I think the books topic is something a lot of people are curious about/search for, so having it be highly visible would be good.  The FSAE forum has a similar thread stuck to the top, and seems to do well.
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Originally posted by collinskl1 collinskl1 wrote:

Mod Squad... can we make one of these book threads sticky?  It might help with some of the repetition.
 
Then again, maybe not.
Do you want it because it is an important topic that should be easy to access, or because people don't search/ search sucks?
 
The search does suck*, but cwru_bdf10 didn't even try. Searching "design literature" would have given a relevant thread.
 
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Search, then go buy then entire Carroll Smith Series including the fastners and plumbing, four books total.

edit-five books total, 4 "to win" books and the fastners

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Mod Squad... can we make one of these book threads sticky?  It might help with some of the repetition.
 
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Mod Note: Merged with suitable thread
 
This year our team has been budgeted a few extra bucks to start a Baja library. Does anyone know of any useful and relevant books to go on our wish list?


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Mod note: Merged "Vehicle Suspension Dynamics Literature" with this thread.

 
Not sure if this has been posted before, did a search on here but couldn't find anything.

I'm a drivetrain guy, and when talking with people who know their cars suspensions I feel my knowledge is a little lacking.

Could you guys recommend some good books and or tutorials I can take a look at to increase my knowledge of suspension dynamics?

FYI I have basic knowledge of things like toe, caster, camber, how different shock settings effect handling, but I'm looking for something fairly intuitive to help me understand more advanced concepts like roll centers, kickup, true ackerman etc.

If at all possible I'm looking for something written in the context of off road racing, although I understand pretty much all books are written in the context of on road mechanics.

Any help would be appreciated.


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See also especifical off-road literature:

-Theory of Ground Vehicles (Wong)
-Terramechanics and Off-Road Vehicle Engineering (Wong)
-Off the Road Mobility of Automobiles (Ageikin)


And books that helps to make the final adjustment.

-Tune to Win by Carroll Smith
-Olav Aaen's Clutch Tuning Handbook






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By the way, Chassis Engineering isn't worth the money in my opinion.  I read it in an hour, didn't learn much of anything, and banished it to the shelf.  RCVD is the vehicle dynamics bible though.  It should be mandatory reading.
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Originally posted by cvargas cvargas wrote:

I already have a lot of those books on order haha. I figured a lot of the basic suspension knowledge from asphalt cars would carry over but I'm looking for a book geared toward off road suspension design if there is one like that.
 
You'll read the thread that Old Greg linked and quickly understand that there is a dearth of books on off-road suspension. People have made some suggestions for finding tidbits of info here and there, but there doesn't seem to be a theory, technical, practical, or how-to book out there for us (maybe some texts if you want to design tractors and tanks).
 
So the burden is on you to take the tire/asphault suspension books (RCVD and others) and figure out what applies to us and what doesn't.
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I already have a lot of those books on order haha. I figured a lot of the basic suspension knowledge from asphalt cars would carry over but I'm looking for a book geared toward off road suspension design if there is one like that.
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Hey thanks a lot! I'll most definitely be buying these!< id="gwProxy" ="">< ="jsCall;" id="jsProxy" ="">
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RACE CAR VEHICLE DYNAMICS                                    

FUNDAMENTALS OF VEHICLE DYNAMICS                 

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Mod note: Merged this thread with "Off-Road Suspension Design Literature"
 
Hello all,

I've tried doing a search and looking through the forum to see if there was a recommended book list for reading regarding the basics of designing an off road vehicle. Does anyone know of any books that would be good for that?

Thank you

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Has anyone read Competition Car Suspension:A Practical Handbook by Allan Staniforth?
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