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Topic: 2012 Auburn pics and results
Posted By: Pedro UFPBaja
Subject: 2012 Auburn pics and results
Date Posted: Apr/22/2012 at 5:45pm
Anyone?

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Former Team Captain



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Posted By: Pedro UFPBaja
Date Posted: Apr/22/2012 at 5:55pm
From Cornell Twiter:

Top 10 overall. 

10: u tennessee Chattanooga 
9: johns Hopkins 
8: Oklahoma 
7: Pittsburg state 
6: umbc 
5: Louisville 
4: northeastern
3: RIT
2: Oregon state. 
1: Cornell

Endurance. 3: Pittsburg state. 2: northeastern. 1: Oregon state.

Cost. 3: university of central Florida. 2: u Michigan. 1: umbc.

Overall design 3: Cornell. 2: umbc. 1: Oregon state.

Suspension and traction. 3: RIT. 2: letourneau. 1: Cornell.

Maneuverability. 3: johns Hopkins. 2: nc state Raleigh. 1: Oklahoma

Hill climb. 3: ETS. 2: Cornell. 1: sherbrooke

Accel first. 3: Oregon state u. 2: Cornell. 1: Oklahoma u.


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Former Team Captain


Posted By: T_Patn
Date Posted: Apr/22/2012 at 7:15pm
looks like its gna be a repeat of 09 almost

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Tyler Patten
CSULB RACING
csulbracing.com


Posted By: kart7
Date Posted: Apr/23/2012 at 11:06am
Pics any one!?

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TEAM STRATOS


Posted By: jeiB
Date Posted: Apr/23/2012 at 12:25pm
Oops

"The start of Sunday’s Baja SAE Auburn 2012 four-hour, wheel-to-wheel endurance race was delayed for about 30 minutes and restarted after one competitor lost steering and slid into the spectator section."

Source: www2.oanow.com/news/2012/apr/22/au-baja-race-brings-students-around-globe-ar-3653455/


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Jeremie B.
McGill Baja Racing
2009-2011 Captain
minibaja.mcgill.ca


Posted By: johnfar109
Date Posted: Apr/23/2012 at 3:07pm
Yeah as a Volunteer, Organizer or Racer the last thing you want to hear on the Radio is Full Course RED, Stop In Blocks.

On a side note i will be uploading my pics later this evening, i did not get many different angles because i was flagging the turnpike and it kept busy most of the day. Lots of roll overs, a fire and a near fire.

Congrats to all the trams that finished.


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- John Farnach

RIT BAJA SAE

That Guy 04-09'

RIT 2010 Maneuverability Captain & Track Prep and Construction
RIT 2013, 2016, 2019 Electronic Scoring & Track Prep and Construction


Posted By: collinskl1
Date Posted: Apr/23/2012 at 3:22pm
I'm not sure what happened to my Alma Mater, but I heard they flopped/rolled 4 times on Saturday, and had a problem with chains/guarding on Sunday.

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Kyle Collins
Lipscomb University Alumni
2x Project Manager

Nexteer Automotive
Product Engineer, Electronic Power Steering

... and the 8th simple machine: a bigger hammer.


Posted By: solakian
Date Posted: Apr/23/2012 at 6:10pm

Can someone provide the complete results from Auburn Baja 2012?



Posted By: collinskl1
Date Posted: Apr/23/2012 at 7:06pm
They aren't posted to SAE International or the BajaSAE Auburn site either. 

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Kyle Collins
Lipscomb University Alumni
2x Project Manager

Nexteer Automotive
Product Engineer, Electronic Power Steering

... and the 8th simple machine: a bigger hammer.


Posted By: jdhunt0
Date Posted: Apr/23/2012 at 10:28pm
All I know is this is the first time our school (WKU) finished the endurance race, we placed 40th, and we could not be happier about it.




Posted By: otto
Date Posted: Apr/24/2012 at 12:05am
here's one of us over the first obstacle in suspension, more to come as we get back to NY and get photos organized.  The race was awesome, the endurance track was lots of fun.  We have helmet cam footage from our first lap and totally cleared the landing on the table top jump (does anyone have a still photo from the grandstand of this? we didnt hit it that big after that...)



edit: it appears that chris reedy may be lurking in the background


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Cornell Baja 2008-2012, suspension stuff
Oregon State 2012+, saw chain & some more baja


Posted By: Soccerdan7
Date Posted: Apr/24/2012 at 12:08am
Here is a quick pic of our winning car... Many of our team members have more pictures of us and the other top schools but we are all just getting back after the long trip back and it may be a while before pictures are uploaded.




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Danny

Cornell

(fall'07 - spring'12)
Former Captain / MEng / that guy with all the carbon
10 races, 7 top ten's, 2 overall wins


Posted By: Soccerdan7
Date Posted: Apr/24/2012 at 12:09am
dammit otto, you beat me by 3 minutes while I was goofing around looking for a picture

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Danny

Cornell

(fall'07 - spring'12)
Former Captain / MEng / that guy with all the carbon
10 races, 7 top ten's, 2 overall wins


Posted By: Bi-Brow
Date Posted: Apr/24/2012 at 7:38am
So it looks like Cornell went from Razrs up front and and 489s in the back to Quadcross in front and Mudlites in the back in between S&T and Endurance.
 
Hope you all talked to tech...

C2.6 "As-approved" Condition

C2.6.1 Once a vehicle has passed technical inspection its configuration may not be modified. All accessory components such as roofs, wings, bumpers, etc. are considered part of the configuration and must remain on the vehicle at all times.

C2.6.2 Approved vehicles must remain in "as-approved" condition throughout the competition. Any repairs of a part that is not identical as the broken part must be approved prior to the repair.

C2.6.3 Non-identical parts not approved will be subject to an appropriate performance penalty.



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Cummins XPI Pump Development Engineer
2012 Midnight Mayhem Coordinator
2008-2010 UofL Baja Captain
2011 Powertrain


Posted By: collinskl1
Date Posted: Apr/24/2012 at 7:45am
Cornell is the master of controversy at Auburn it seems... magically transorming carbon fiber to carbon steel halfshafts in '09 and shape shifting tire treads in '12!?
 
But seriously, well done on bringing another trophy home.


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Kyle Collins
Lipscomb University Alumni
2x Project Manager

Nexteer Automotive
Product Engineer, Electronic Power Steering

... and the 8th simple machine: a bigger hammer.


Posted By: Bi-Brow
Date Posted: Apr/24/2012 at 8:46am

I assumed post endurance pic... don't see full tech stickers on the firewall



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Cummins XPI Pump Development Engineer
2012 Midnight Mayhem Coordinator
2008-2010 UofL Baja Captain
2011 Powertrain


Posted By: otto
Date Posted: Apr/24/2012 at 9:35am
Originally posted by Bi-Brow Bi-Brow wrote:

I assumed post endurance pic... don't see full tech stickers on the firewall



yeah, sorry for no explanation -

we transported the car and drove it around in the parking lot at school with some worn out mudlites and quadcrosses (I sure hope we wouldnt run such awful and bald tires at comp!).  That photo was taken as soon as the car showed up in the paddock and was un loaded.

If you look at some other pictures we had some black rims with razrs and 489s on them for comp, had 1 trashed rim from suspension and a flat tire from endurance so we switched two wheels to the polished version of the rim with the same tires on them (and they had the same tires as when we went through tech).


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Cornell Baja 2008-2012, suspension stuff
Oregon State 2012+, saw chain & some more baja


Posted By: Soccerdan7
Date Posted: Apr/24/2012 at 9:57am
Yea, what Otto said. We ran the entire competition with 489s out back and Razr Ballances up front. We had to use 2 spares but they were 100% identical except the rims were not powder coated black on the spares. It didn't take long for the accusations to start though.

As for 2009, we did change from carbon driveshafts to steel driveshafts when we broke 1 carbon in suspension and then the 2nd in endurance. We did not have any spare carbon shafts and had to get the steel ones reapproved from Tech and we followed the entire process. We talked to tech before endurance saying we thought the 2nd one was going to go but they said we could not change it out until it broke so we ran for about 45 minutes if I remember correctly, then swapped it and showed them the cracked one to get back out on the course.

Our team has never cheated and has followed all the rules for the "as approved condition" when we did not have appropriate spares ready to go.


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Danny

Cornell

(fall'07 - spring'12)
Former Captain / MEng / that guy with all the carbon
10 races, 7 top ten's, 2 overall wins


Posted By: dillon_b12
Date Posted: Apr/24/2012 at 10:08am
Originally posted by jdhunt0 jdhunt0 wrote:

All I know is this is the first time our school (WKU) finished the endurance race, we placed 40th, and we could not be happier about it.

Congrats on your first finish!  Are you all racing at any other races this year?  It's good to see another Kentucky team competing.  UK-Paducah had a car for a few years, but I haven't seen much out of them in a while.


Posted By: dillon_b12
Date Posted: Apr/24/2012 at 10:11am
Originally posted by Soccerdan7 Soccerdan7 wrote:

Yea, what Otto said. We ran the entire competition with 489s out back and Razr Ballances up front. We had to use 2 spares but they were 100% identical except the rims were not powder coated black on the spares. It didn't take long for the accusations to start though.

As for 2009, we did change from carbon driveshafts to steel driveshafts when we broke 1 carbon in suspension and then the 2nd in endurance. We did not have any spare carbon shafts and had to get the steel ones reapproved from Tech and we followed the entire process. We talked to tech before endurance saying we thought the 2nd one was going to go but they said we could not change it out until it broke so we ran for about 45 minutes if I remember correctly, then swapped it and showed them the cracked one to get back out on the course.

Our team has never cheated and has followed all the rules for the "as approved condition" when we did not have appropriate spares ready to go.

Did you guys bring spares for the carbon parts this year?  I don't think I would feel comfortable going to any competition without spares.


Posted By: Soccerdan7
Date Posted: Apr/24/2012 at 10:15am
We had a total of 6 carbon suspension tubes on the car and I made share to crank out a full set of spares right before we left, plus we had a full set of steels that we had been using for testing earlier in the year and we brought them too, just in case.

Just to be clear, we didn't break any of the carbon parts this year despite that fairly punishing suspension course and a rear suspension encounter with a very large rock during endurance.


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Danny

Cornell

(fall'07 - spring'12)
Former Captain / MEng / that guy with all the carbon
10 races, 7 top ten's, 2 overall wins


Posted By: jeiB
Date Posted: Apr/24/2012 at 10:20am
Well, Sherbrooke had aluminium suspension arms all around. I think one of the front corners failed in the first few laps of endurance. The wishbones were replaced, I think, with steel ones (there are pics on their facebook) but since they did not finish, no one cares. They might have re-approved the new arms though.

Everyone loves to bring up that carbon driveshaft controversy from Cornell but I find it pretty stupid. They did something new, it backfired. The carbon shafts probably weren't that much lighter than the steel ones especially if you consider moment of inertia as well. As Dan said, they went through the proper procedure as well...people should lay that to rest.

Also, the tires swapping thing would have NEVER slipped by the tech during the post endurance inspection, accusing Cornell of cheating is preposterous!


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Jeremie B.
McGill Baja Racing
2009-2011 Captain
minibaja.mcgill.ca


Posted By: collinskl1
Date Posted: Apr/24/2012 at 10:35am
I didn't mean any accusation of cheating, I just think it's funny how everyone jumps to conculsions. 
 
No harm meant here Smile
 
I'm just jealous that I don't have one of y'alls cars in my garage!  When they go into production and come up for sale, I want one (carbon and all)!


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Kyle Collins
Lipscomb University Alumni
2x Project Manager

Nexteer Automotive
Product Engineer, Electronic Power Steering

... and the 8th simple machine: a bigger hammer.


Posted By: jeiB
Date Posted: Apr/24/2012 at 10:37am
Kyle, I took your comment in the second degree (ie with humor) Thumbs Up

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Jeremie B.
McGill Baja Racing
2009-2011 Captain
minibaja.mcgill.ca


Posted By: Soccerdan7
Date Posted: Apr/24/2012 at 10:53am
Just to close out the carbon driveshaft discussion, they were on the order of 0.25 lbs lighter each than our optimized steel custom shafts which are way lighter than stock shafts.

The failures in Alabama 09 were from a combined torque and compression shock load that failed the bonded interface, not the actual tube. If you all remember correctly, we fixed this problem in time for Wisconsin 09 (but not Oregon) and ran the second generation there. We failed one in endurance when FEI rammed us at full speed and took out an entire rear corner. The other lasted that entire race. That is why we now always run a rear bumper.

They were designed again for 2010, but not used at the last minute as the drivers and team captain decided they would rather have some ductility and peace of mind than 0.5 lbs less rotating half unsprung weight and any kind of innovation points in design. That decision panned out as we took 5th in SC and 1st in Rochester with a very durable car.

I did the suspension tubes for my Master's project and think the risk / reward here is much more suitable for baja.


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Danny

Cornell

(fall'07 - spring'12)
Former Captain / MEng / that guy with all the carbon
10 races, 7 top ten's, 2 overall wins


Posted By: dillon_b12
Date Posted: Apr/24/2012 at 10:53am
Cornell guys,

Why the unpainted firewall?  Seems like there are lots of teams every year that do this.  I've never been a fan of the look, although the rest of your car looks great.


Posted By: jeiB
Date Posted: Apr/24/2012 at 11:03am
I think its actually painted. The reflection is misleading.


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Jeremie B.
McGill Baja Racing
2009-2011 Captain
minibaja.mcgill.ca


Posted By: Soccerdan7
Date Posted: Apr/24/2012 at 11:21am
It is not painted. We like the aluminum finish and it matches all of our polished wheel assemblies and gearbox nicely. We actually painted very little on this car to keep the weight down as much as possible.

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Danny

Cornell

(fall'07 - spring'12)
Former Captain / MEng / that guy with all the carbon
10 races, 7 top ten's, 2 overall wins


Posted By: dillon_b12
Date Posted: Apr/24/2012 at 11:30am
What was your weight?


Posted By: Soccerdan7
Date Posted: Apr/24/2012 at 11:33am
official weigh in was 308 lbs and when you get that light, yes the paint matters.

I know Michigan - ann arbor was 307 but had to replace a couple bars to pass frame tech and I heard rumors someone else was 306 but it wasn't UMBC or OU who I was expecting and Laval wasn't at this race.


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Danny

Cornell

(fall'07 - spring'12)
Former Captain / MEng / that guy with all the carbon
10 races, 7 top ten's, 2 overall wins


Posted By: jeiB
Date Posted: Apr/24/2012 at 11:42am
What was Laval's weight last year? I thought they were closer to 320-330lbs.

Good job on that weight, that's impressive.


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Jeremie B.
McGill Baja Racing
2009-2011 Captain
minibaja.mcgill.ca


Posted By: otto
Date Posted: Apr/24/2012 at 12:34pm
Originally posted by Soccerdan7 Soccerdan7 wrote:

official weigh in was 308 lbs and when you get that light, yes the paint matters.

I know Michigan - ann arbor was 307 but had to replace a couple bars to pass frame tech and I heard rumors someone else was 306 but it wasn't UMBC or OU who I was expecting and Laval wasn't at this race.


powder coat adds up, spray paint not so much

I did 2-3 coats on the a-arms and the deli scale we have didnt measure any difference (it reads to .01 lbs so it added less than 1/100 of a pound in paint).

to get paint to look nice over fiberglass or carbon is a different story, takes a lot more material in paint etc. and that can add up fast.  painting metal is generally not as intensive

anodizing the firewall would be pretty cool... but I also like the stock polished look


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Cornell Baja 2008-2012, suspension stuff
Oregon State 2012+, saw chain & some more baja


Posted By: charles ulaval
Date Posted: Apr/24/2012 at 12:40pm
Laval was at 330 back in 2010...
They were closer to 308-310 last year.


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Universite Laval alumni
2006-2010


Posted By: Pedro UFPBaja
Date Posted: Apr/25/2012 at 10:55am
MOAR PICS

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Former Team Captain


Posted By: dillon_b12
Date Posted: Apr/25/2012 at 11:18am
Results are posted:

http://students.sae.org/competitions/bajasae/results/ - http://students.sae.org/competitions/bajasae/results/


Posted By: jeiB
Date Posted: Apr/25/2012 at 11:27am
The prototype cost is in there 0.0...first time I see that!

EDIT: And I am impressed by Sooner Racing. Isn't it there second or third competition? First in acceleration and maneuverability. Congrats!


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Jeremie B.
McGill Baja Racing
2009-2011 Captain
minibaja.mcgill.ca


Posted By: Pedro UFPBaja
Date Posted: Apr/25/2012 at 12:23pm
What happened to Sherbrooke, TTU and ETS? teams with historic of good results, but were not well this time.
LAVAL and UMCP did not participate?


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Former Team Captain


Posted By: jeiB
Date Posted: Apr/25/2012 at 12:34pm
Laval is only doing two competitions this year.

Sherbrooke broke their front suspension, replaced it, and then broke their gearbox. I think that was on their twitter/facebook.
ETS had a part failure (brake?), which part is a mystery. But yea from the results, their baja didn't seem to preform very well.


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Jeremie B.
McGill Baja Racing
2009-2011 Captain
minibaja.mcgill.ca


Posted By: p.lewis
Date Posted: Apr/25/2012 at 12:49pm
Originally posted by otto otto wrote:

to get paint to look nice over fiberglass or carbon is a different story, takes a lot more material in paint etc. and that can add up fast.  painting metal is generally not as intensive

How about putting pigment in your composite matrix?
 
Originally posted by jeiB jeiB wrote:

The prototype cost is in there 0.0...first time I see that!
Last time they included prototype cost it was a mistake. They quickly pulled the results down and censored the cost values. Unless they changed their policy, save a copy now if you want to use the numbers.
 
It looks like general wisdom still holds; you lose one point off of a perfect score for every $100 over some target cost, except instead of ~$8000 for the target (several years ago), it looks like $9000 is the target now.


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University of Rochester Alum


Posted By: Soccerdan7
Date Posted: Apr/25/2012 at 12:56pm
Originally posted by p.lewis p.lewis wrote:

How about putting pigment in your composite matrix?

I can promise you I have thought of and tried everything for body panels in the last 5 years. We used to use automotive primer, pigments and clearcoats and had to sand and fill any tiny imperfections. We did this until the panels were perfect and I think our 08-11 cars reflect that, but we added a large % of weight to the panels by doing this.

We have used red dye before in our epoxies but the part usually looks too murky and / or pink. We dyed all of the Kevlar in our float and fenders black in 2010 and 2011 but it is more of a matte finish to keep from drawing attention where our panels are a completely different story.

Everyone loves the exposed CF look and thinks its something new this year for us, but I have been doing it for 5 years and decided that it wasn't worth the weight and effort this year. It goes much better with the car's overall color scheme this year.


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Danny

Cornell

(fall'07 - spring'12)
Former Captain / MEng / that guy with all the carbon
10 races, 7 top ten's, 2 overall wins


Posted By: IM31408
Date Posted: Apr/25/2012 at 1:10pm
Originally posted by Pedro UFPBaja Pedro UFPBaja wrote:

What happened to Sherbrooke, TTU and ETS? teams with historic of good results, but were not well this time.
LAVAL and UMCP did not participate?

UMCP will be coming to Wisconsin only this year as far as I know. I saw TTU being towed back during the endurance race with a broken tie-rod and I saw them only a few more times afterwards. As for ETS, I heard they were trying out a new gearbox setup this year and they broke the main gearbox and the replacement one so there was nothing they could do to continue at that point. That's just what I heard through a couple people so take it how you want. 


Posted By: Soccerdan7
Date Posted: Apr/25/2012 at 1:16pm
TTU had many problems and only got in 1 or 2 dynamic events and a few laps on endurance. I heard they exploded a gearbox bearing on saturday and then I think broke an a arm and a driveshaft among many issues on sunday.

ETS broke their new planetary box twice, the first was on friday on the practice track and was fixable using Auburn's shop but the 2nd failure was during suspension on saturday and was catastrophic. They left before endurance to try to get everything fixed in time for Oregon.


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Danny

Cornell

(fall'07 - spring'12)
Former Captain / MEng / that guy with all the carbon
10 races, 7 top ten's, 2 overall wins


Posted By: johnfar109
Date Posted: Apr/25/2012 at 1:39pm
Originally posted by Soccerdan7 Soccerdan7 wrote:

ETS broke their new planetary box twice, the first was on friday on the practice track and was fixable using Auburn's shop but the 2nd failure was during suspension on saturday and was catastrophic. They left before endurance to try to get everything fixed in time for Oregon.


I was Right there both times it broke it just seamed to pop out of gear and then i would not go back in. To bad, there car was quick. One of only a handful that looked real good on the suspension course.


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- John Farnach

RIT BAJA SAE

That Guy 04-09'

RIT 2010 Maneuverability Captain & Track Prep and Construction
RIT 2013, 2016, 2019 Electronic Scoring & Track Prep and Construction


Posted By: ffriolet
Date Posted: Apr/25/2012 at 2:02pm

As Danny said, we have broke our new planetary box. We broke it just before auburn (17) in Montreal, after some analysis, we noticed a calculation error on the planet strength. Before leaving Montreal, we machined other gears and they should be ready for Oregon.

We decided to go in Auburn even if we knew that the planetary box had like 90% chance of breaking.

Friday, the press fit retaining the ring gear failed. That was easily repaired with some radial dowel pin.

On Saturday, as suspected the planets broke.

Yesterday, we did some metallography analysis on the broken gear, we also noticed a quench problem that should be solved for Oregon.

We hope to be ready to run tomorrow.



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Fred Friolet
Baja ETS
Team captain 2012
Design leader 2011
Driver 2011-2012


Posted By: p.lewis
Date Posted: Apr/25/2012 at 4:38pm
Did it look like they were making measurements for another car characteristics spreadsheet again this year? If so, do you think the organizers will publish it later this year? Was that not Auburn, but Alabama section of SAE that did that in 2009?


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University of Rochester Alum


Posted By: JeremyB
Date Posted: Apr/25/2012 at 4:55pm
Originally posted by p.lewis p.lewis wrote:

Did it look like they were making measurements for another car characteristics spreadsheet again this year? If so, do you think the organizers will publish it later this year? Was that not Auburn, but Alabama section of SAE that did that in 2009?
The Car Characteristics will be released. Not sure on the ETA for them.
 
The Auburn organizers did it in 2009, as well as the 2012 race.


Posted By: JeremyB
Date Posted: Apr/25/2012 at 6:47pm
I was the event co-captain for S&T and saw Cornell's runs. Nobody except RIT* was even close! Cornell hit the first railroad tie on the stair steps, launched, and completely cleared the second step.
 
For endurance, I was stationed between milepost 115-135. Cornell came through what seemed like tens of seconds ahead of the 2nd and 3rd car. Believe they ran a 6:11 lap. Next closest lap (not sure who it was) was 6:48, although I'm sure that was due to all the lap traffic encountered. I joked, tongue in cheek, that Cornell must be cheating since they were going so fast!
 
The endurance co-lead took the old Auburn 2004 test mule (Grandma/Granny) for a hot lap on Monday. Ran a 6:21. I ran a hot lap before the race and got about the same. Not too bad for an 8 year old car with various issues.
 
 
*RIT got hung up on the radial washboard (after the culvert) on their 2nd run, which is a decent chunk of the time they gave up.


Posted By: jdhunt0
Date Posted: Apr/25/2012 at 9:25pm
dillon_b12

We will not be at any other events this year.  I'm not sure yet if there will even be a car next year.  It was planned to cancel the program after us, but I think our team may have turning things back around.  WKU's baja program is set up a bit different than most of the other schools, it is more of a semester and a half project management/prototyping class.


Posted By: smock
Date Posted: Apr/26/2012 at 8:31am
I've got a ton of photos I need to upload.  Caught the Cornell roll sequence during enduro.  I was working suspension during dynamics and got quite a few carnage pics from my vantage point by the rock garden.  I'll have a link to them in the near future.  



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Andrew Smock
Design Engineer
John Deere Commercial Products
Augusta, GA
UA Baja Team Leader 2006-2009
UA SAE President 2010
www.uabaja.com


Posted By: jdhunt0
Date Posted: Apr/26/2012 at 1:54pm



Posted By: Soccerdan7
Date Posted: Apr/26/2012 at 6:45pm
Originally posted by smock smock wrote:

Caught the Cornell roll sequence during enduro.  

This is our second 1st place finish and both times our suspension designer decided to benchtest the frame on a high speed endo.... I could do without that late drama in the future


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Danny

Cornell

(fall'07 - spring'12)
Former Captain / MEng / that guy with all the carbon
10 races, 7 top ten's, 2 overall wins


Posted By: collinskl1
Date Posted: Apr/26/2012 at 8:14pm
Go big or go home!

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Kyle Collins
Lipscomb University Alumni
2x Project Manager

Nexteer Automotive
Product Engineer, Electronic Power Steering

... and the 8th simple machine: a bigger hammer.


Posted By: Rob71zilla
Date Posted: Apr/27/2012 at 7:38am
Originally posted by Soccerdan7 Soccerdan7 wrote:

Originally posted by smock smock wrote:

Caught the Cornell roll sequence during enduro.  

This is our second 1st place finish and both times our suspension designer decided to benchtest the frame on a high speed endo.... I could do without that late drama in the future


Sounds like he knows exactly what it takes to win!


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Robbie
Former Team Captain
SUNY Institute of Technology
Current Engineer for Remington Arms

A Redline a day keeps the carbon away.


Posted By: dillon_b12
Date Posted: Apr/27/2012 at 11:19am


Posted By: Pedro UFPBaja
Date Posted: Apr/27/2012 at 11:43am
pics from FB















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Former Team Captain


Posted By: Pedro UFPBaja
Date Posted: Apr/27/2012 at 12:01pm













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Former Team Captain


Posted By: Soccerdan7
Date Posted: Apr/27/2012 at 6:12pm
First lap of endurance... pardon the camera shake, our driver was hauling some serious ass



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Danny

Cornell

(fall'07 - spring'12)
Former Captain / MEng / that guy with all the carbon
10 races, 7 top ten's, 2 overall wins


Posted By: Pedro UFPBaja
Date Posted: Apr/28/2012 at 8:17am





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Former Team Captain


Posted By: Akron 1998 to 2004
Date Posted: Apr/30/2012 at 2:07pm

The fish eye camera is a bit disorienting, that is a very rough course.

Anyone dent their rims on the first lap and run the whole thing on flat tires?



Posted By: Soccerdan7
Date Posted: Apr/30/2012 at 3:25pm
Akron, Still think your vintage swingarm and tiny rear tires is the best solution in the modern competition?

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Danny

Cornell

(fall'07 - spring'12)
Former Captain / MEng / that guy with all the carbon
10 races, 7 top ten's, 2 overall wins


Posted By: Akron 1998 to 2004
Date Posted: Apr/30/2012 at 3:57pm
Originally posted by Soccerdan7 Soccerdan7 wrote:

Akron, Still think your vintage swingarm and tiny rear tires is the best solution in the modern competition?
 
Rocks, half burried telephone poles, and railroad ties haven't changed much in the last 8 yrs.  But I would upgrade to 20" rear tires.  The 18"s are strictly for MX tracks no rock crawl, IMO. 


Posted By: Soccerdan7
Date Posted: Apr/30/2012 at 6:25pm
That response was much less belligerent than I have come to expect about the touchy subject of your divine approach to rear suspension. The closest car to your old setup was Oklahoma and they won accel and manuv and finished 8th overall but were substantially back from us, OSU and RIT for a podium position.

I have seen the competition evolve over the last 5 years and it is very difficult to follow the old approaches since the courses are not traditional MX style races anymore. Even TTU and USF abandoned their old designs in trying to stay on the cutting edge of the competition.


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Danny

Cornell

(fall'07 - spring'12)
Former Captain / MEng / that guy with all the carbon
10 races, 7 top ten's, 2 overall wins


Posted By: CLReedy21
Date Posted: Apr/30/2012 at 8:15pm
But we still ran that Auburn course in 09 with our second team car (a swingarm-ed terra-tired beast) and took overall dynamics, 7th in endurance (with 2 rollovers), and 4th overall.  Swingarms are perfectly competitive if you do them right.

Oh and a swingarm won the Auburn race in 06...

The TTU decision to move away from the swingarm was as much about the opportunity to develop new systems and build "our own" car as it was perceived performance gain.  I'd bet any of you $20 right now that I could spend a week working on the TTU 07 car and take it to top 10 at a race.  That vehicle is STILL a benchmark for how our cars should perform.  I'll be sure to do an exhibition run of S&T in that car at TTU '13 to show you what a swingarm can do.


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-Chris Reedy
TTU Alumni
Fourwheeler Drawer



"Quick with the hammer, slow with the brain."


Posted By: jeiB
Date Posted: Apr/30/2012 at 8:59pm

I think that any suspension type can do well provided they are tested and set up corectly. Im sure that Chris and the TTU team know how to tune the TTU 07 car to extract 99% of its potential given the amount of experience they have with it. unlike a new car that is "theoritically" better but not as well tested/tuned. 

I know now I would rather run an average car at 99% than a great car at 75%...The average car would probably do better too.



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Jeremie B.
McGill Baja Racing
2009-2011 Captain
minibaja.mcgill.ca


Posted By: Soccerdan7
Date Posted: Apr/30/2012 at 9:10pm
That sounds like a timeline problem more so than a design choice problem. If you can get a new car driving in January or February than you can have it set up at 90% or more even if it is radically different. And a 90% setup all new car is enough to win a race and be further tuned and refined between competitions.

Building an average car just because you understand the ins and outs of it from previous years is an easy way out for a decent overall finish but it doesn't push the competition in terms of innovation and it will likely not win 1st overall these days (or make it to design finals).

I do not mean to go bashing over team's philosophies as there are clearly multiple ways to interpret a baja car and develop a successful design. I just wanted to point out an evolution in what teams are doing and which teams have been winning in recent years.


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Danny

Cornell

(fall'07 - spring'12)
Former Captain / MEng / that guy with all the carbon
10 races, 7 top ten's, 2 overall wins


Posted By: CLReedy21
Date Posted: Apr/30/2012 at 9:33pm
Wrong again carbon breath!  :)

09 at Auburn saw a swingarm in design finals, right next to an IRS car from the same school.  It all comes down to how you execute it.  And again I'd bet that if we dusted off our posters and put a couple of our best spin men in place that a swingarm car would again make an appearance in design finals.

Everybody hates on the swingarm and assumes that it doesn't require any development or skill to successfully implement when that just isn't the case.  The dynamics of our cars of old were very well sorted out and the structural analysis that went into the topographical optimization of the swingarm was and probably still is some of the highest level engineering that has gone into a baja car.  Sure it's not a sexy multi-speed gearbox, but the beauty of the swingarm is that it eliminates the need for such an item.

It's easy to downplay the swingarm for being "just" a swingarm but they pose their own unique set of problems.  I'm an indy design guy and I would choose an independent setup were I to design a car tomorrow however I have significant respect for the swingarm platform.


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-Chris Reedy
TTU Alumni
Fourwheeler Drawer



"Quick with the hammer, slow with the brain."


Posted By: Soccerdan7
Date Posted: Apr/30/2012 at 9:42pm
Originally posted by CLReedy21 CLReedy21 wrote:

Wrong again carbon breath!  :)
Everybody hates on the swingarm and assumes that it doesn't require any development or skill to successfully implement when that just isn't the case.  The dynamics of our cars of old were very well sorted out and the structural analysis that went into the topographical optimization of the swingarm was and probably still is some of the highest level engineering that has gone into a baja car.  Sure it's not a sexy multi-speed gearbox, but the beauty of the swingarm is that it eliminates the need for such an item.


I never said it wasn't well-engineered or is easy to run a proper swingarm. I was saying that, in general, many teams run what they are familiar with simply because it is familiar and are afraid to explore something new that is untested but has potential to be better. I am proud that our team is the polar opposite of that and had to learn our lessons to minimize risk to a calculated level with some of our wilder ideas.

A swingarm, if done correctly can still be a good overall finisher. Especially in a water competition. I am doubting the ability for it to win against a car like ours or Laval's on the recent land-only tracks. In the case of your 2009 experience, I recall a ferocious endo on the tabletop on the new car that can't have helped its cause and hearing that a lot of stuff was too new and untested, but a little refinement and evolution brought you to last year's winner.

The only remaining swing arm cars that immediately come to mind are Oklahoma and Northeastern (and maybe USF if they ever come back). I applaud their designs and overall finishes in Auburn but I can tell you there won't be many teams switching to that design any time soon.


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Danny

Cornell

(fall'07 - spring'12)
Former Captain / MEng / that guy with all the carbon
10 races, 7 top ten's, 2 overall wins


Posted By: paasch
Date Posted: Apr/30/2012 at 9:47pm
I know I'm a little late with this, but I'd like to express my sincere congratulations to Cornell for an outstanding performance at Auburn.  I hand timed your S&T run, and remember thinking at the time that you guys won the competition right there.

OSU scored 936 points at Auburn, more than enough to win any of the 2011 and 2010 North American competitions.  But it wasn't enough at Auburn, as Cornell posted the highest BajaSAE score since 2009.

Again, my congratulations, especially to Andrew and Danny.  We look forward to seeing you again in Wisconsin. 


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Bob Paasch
Faculty Advisor
Oregon State SAE


Posted By: jeiB
Date Posted: Apr/30/2012 at 9:51pm

What I meant with an "average" car would be to instead of spending another 2/3 month taking 10-15lbs out or optimizing motion ratio, you would spend that time testing/tuning.

I really liked Ann Arbor's 2009 car with the 4-link solid axle. It looks like a very good compromise between a swingarm and an IRS suspension.


EDIT: Dr Paasch, you are right. I was extremely surprised when I saw the 955/100 score by Cornell. I thought that was unheard of but Sherbrooke did 966 in 2009 at Auburn as well.



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Jeremie B.
McGill Baja Racing
2009-2011 Captain
minibaja.mcgill.ca


Posted By: Soccerdan7
Date Posted: Apr/30/2012 at 10:07pm
Thanks for the acknowledgement, but it was a full team effort of 30ish people. Andrew and I are simply the ones who troll these forums instead of having actual lives. Hell, neither of us are even captains this year. The real thanks should go to David as he drove almost every event (including that suspension demolition) and deserves the most praise for winning the competition.

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Danny

Cornell

(fall'07 - spring'12)
Former Captain / MEng / that guy with all the carbon
10 races, 7 top ten's, 2 overall wins


Posted By: jeiB
Date Posted: Apr/30/2012 at 10:07pm
For example, I saw some videos from the Univ of Tennessee-Chattanooga. They came 10th overall, 11th in ST, 41st in Hill, 40th in Manuv, 61st in Accel, and 8th in Endurance. I don't want to bash their car but the dynamic scores show that it is far from a top performer and yet they finished 10th mainly due to their strong finish in endurance.

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Jeremie B.
McGill Baja Racing
2009-2011 Captain
minibaja.mcgill.ca


Posted By: OctoberSky
Date Posted: Apr/30/2012 at 10:23pm
I think that the balance is pretty delicate between innovation, testing, and tuning.  My biggest challenge as a designer hasn't been finding time to design and build with a month less of school than most universities, it's been trying to design components that are tunable, light/efficient enough to perform well, but also robust enough to last through a difficult tuning regiment and competition(s).  Our best car was built for the 2010 races, and while I would never even think of going back to that design again, I know that as implemented it has outperformed the last two cars I've worked on.  We will see what happens this week in Oregon with UCLA's newest model.

I, like Cornell, am often of the mindset that it is possible to "max out" a given design, and at some point I get bored with doing things the way they are, even if the new way isn't worked out perfectly.  Last year, however, I realized just how frustrating it is to have a car with a lot of potential that "almost worked" due to problems during out testing phase, and we made a conscious effort to tone down the mad science a little bit in pursuit of higher placement across the board.  Like I said, we will see what happens.


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UCLA Racing
2010-2012 Captain

"we'll never win mini baja" -Cheddar


Posted By: dillon_b12
Date Posted: May/01/2012 at 11:35am
Originally posted by Soccerdan7 Soccerdan7 wrote:

Thanks for the acknowledgement, but it was a full team effort of 30ish people. Andrew and I are simply the ones who troll these forums instead of having actual lives. Hell, neither of us are even captains this year. The real thanks should go to David as he drove almost every event (including that suspension demolition) and deserves the most praise for winning the competition.

I wish we had had even a third of that when I was still heavily involved.  Our guys took 5th with 5 guys in Alabama this year.  There are a few more working behinds the scene that didn't make it to comp., but I can't imagine what it must be like to have a crew of that size.


Posted By: jeiB
Date Posted: May/01/2012 at 11:47am
Originally posted by dillon_b12 dillon_b12 wrote:

Originally posted by Soccerdan7 Soccerdan7 wrote:

Thanks for the acknowledgement, but it was a full team effort of 30ish people. Andrew and I are simply the ones who troll these forums instead of having actual lives. Hell, neither of us are even captains this year. The real thanks should go to David as he drove almost every event (including that suspension demolition) and deserves the most praise for winning the competition.

I wish we had had even a third of that when I was still heavily involved.  Our guys took 5th with 5 guys in Alabama this year.  There are a few more working behinds the scene that didn't make it to comp., but I can't imagine what it must be like to have a crew of that size.


Dillon, do you still do baja?


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Jeremie B.
McGill Baja Racing
2009-2011 Captain
minibaja.mcgill.ca


Posted By: Soccerdan7
Date Posted: May/01/2012 at 12:04pm
Originally posted by dillon_b12 dillon_b12 wrote:

 
I wish we had had even a third of that when I was still heavily involved.  Our guys took 5th with 5 guys in Alabama this year.  There are a few more working behinds the scene that didn't make it to comp., but I can't imagine what it must be like to have a crew of that size.

That big of a team is a blessing and a curse. Once you get above like 10-15 people it becomes a project management nightmare for the leaders. Every year has a core of 5-10 people who design and build like 85% of the car. For every person outside of this core group who is good and reliable to get their stuff done, there is someone who produces inconsistent results, is not reliable and may disappear during pre-competition crunch time, knowing that other people will pick up their slack. I would greatly prefer about 15 people at times, but our huge team allows for things like a 5 person electrical team to do data acq and display stuff and a 5 person composites team to do all of our body, seat, steering wheel, guards, floors, etc which is nice.

I have great respect for all of the teams with fewer than like 8 people because that requires real commitment and a hard work ethic from every person involved to create a successful car.


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Danny

Cornell

(fall'07 - spring'12)
Former Captain / MEng / that guy with all the carbon
10 races, 7 top ten's, 2 overall wins


Posted By: dillon_b12
Date Posted: May/01/2012 at 12:14pm
Originally posted by jeiB jeiB wrote:


Dillon, do you still do baja?

Nope.  Graduated in '10, but I only live about 1.5 miles from the shop so I stop in from time to time to annoy the current guys.


Posted By: jeiB
Date Posted: May/01/2012 at 12:17pm
Originally posted by dillon_b12 dillon_b12 wrote:

Originally posted by jeiB jeiB wrote:

Originally posted by dillon_b12 dillon_b12 wrote:

Originally posted by Soccerdan7 Soccerdan7 wrote:

Thanks for the acknowledgement, but it was a full team effort of 30ish people. Andrew and I are simply the ones who troll these forums instead of having actual lives. Hell, neither of us are even captains this year. The real thanks should go to David as he drove almost every event (including that suspension demolition) and deserves the most praise for winning the competition.

I wish we had had even a third of that when I was still heavily involved.  Our guys took 5th with 5 guys in Alabama this year.  There are a few more working behinds the scene that didn't make it to comp., but I can't imagine what it must be like to have a crew of that size.


Dillon, do you still do baja?

Nope.  Graduated in '10, but I only live about 1.5 miles from the shop so I stop in from time to time to annoy the current guys.


Ahah, that's my new job too, Master Criticizer!


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Jeremie B.
McGill Baja Racing
2009-2011 Captain
minibaja.mcgill.ca


Posted By: dillon_b12
Date Posted: May/01/2012 at 12:17pm
Originally posted by Soccerdan7 Soccerdan7 wrote:

Originally posted by dillon_b12 dillon_b12 wrote:

 
I wish we had had even a third of that when I was still heavily involved.  Our guys took 5th with 5 guys in Alabama this year.  There are a few more working behinds the scene that didn't make it to comp., but I can't imagine what it must be like to have a crew of that size.

That big of a team is a blessing and a curse. Once you get above like 10-15 people it becomes a project management nightmare for the leaders. Every year has a core of 5-10 people who design and build like 85% of the car. For every person outside of this core group who is good and reliable to get their stuff done, there is someone who produces inconsistent results, is not reliable and may disappear during pre-competition crunch time, knowing that other people will pick up their slack. I would greatly prefer about 15 people at times, but our huge team allows for things like a 5 person electrical team to do data acq and display stuff and a 5 person composites team to do all of our body, seat, steering wheel, guards, floors, etc which is nice.

I have great respect for all of the teams with fewer than like 8 people because that requires real commitment and a hard work ethic from every person involved to create a successful car.

I know what you mean. Even in years where we had more than 5-7 guys around, it was still those 5-7 guys who did the vast majority of the work.


Posted By: Akron 1998 to 2004
Date Posted: May/01/2012 at 12:22pm

I see how you provoke me Danny.  Yet you turned down my offer to go head to head against one of my “vintage” cars this Sunday at Washougal MX Park.  Rather convenient that you failed to sign up for the west coast competition months before I issued the challenge.

When the only car with the "vintage swingarm" in a sea of IRS vehicles wins maneuverability and dynamically out performs all the top 10 teams (except Cornell), I think you should take notice.  Clearly the design judges underestimated Oklahoma, but the static portion of the competition is as much if not more so a beauty competition / popularity contest.  Shiny red paint jobs on formed carbon fiber panels serve no function yet gather many points for completely unrelated systems (its human nature to appreciate aesthetics).

Regardless, Cornell deservingly won……..this time!!!



Posted By: jeiB
Date Posted: May/01/2012 at 12:28pm
Originally posted by Akron 1998 to 2004 Akron 1998 to 2004 wrote:

I see how you provoke me Danny.  Yet you turned down my offer to go head to head against one of my “vintage” cars this Sunday at Washougal MX Park.  Rather convenient that you failed to sign up for the west coast competition months before I issued the challenge.



Oh come on! They aren't gonna do a cross country trip and spend close to 8k just to race you.

Akron, you are too entertaining.


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Jeremie B.
McGill Baja Racing
2009-2011 Captain
minibaja.mcgill.ca


Posted By: Soccerdan7
Date Posted: May/01/2012 at 12:36pm
Oklahoma's success was due just as much if not more so to their low weight and tiny accel driver rather than their swingarm. Any decently tuned car that weighs 337 lbs with a Gaged CVT can win dynamics these days depending on luck and driver skill. Their car was very impressive and I don't mean to take anything away from their great result, I am just commenting on the differences in the modern competition that an old man like you may not realize.

Also, Oklahoma had the shiny red paint job and big fancy panels while we were minimalist for weight reasons and almost no red paint on the car. Our car was definitely the least aesthetically dominated this year compared to the other 4 cars I have been involved with. We took 2nd in design with a thoroughly engineered car with some innovative new features on it. Building a finished car that looks nice and sellable definitely helps in design presentations but we certainly do not treat it like a "beauty contest."


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Danny

Cornell

(fall'07 - spring'12)
Former Captain / MEng / that guy with all the carbon
10 races, 7 top ten's, 2 overall wins


Posted By: Akron 1998 to 2004
Date Posted: May/01/2012 at 1:02pm
Originally posted by Soccerdan7 Soccerdan7 wrote:

I am just commenting on the differences in the modern competition that an old man like you may not realize.
 
Thats the problem with youngsters these days.  A little success and they belive they're the all time best.


Posted By: jeiB
Date Posted: May/01/2012 at 1:05pm
Originally posted by Akron 1998 to 2004 Akron 1998 to 2004 wrote:

Originally posted by Soccerdan7 Soccerdan7 wrote:

I am just commenting on the differences in the modern competition that an old man like you may not realize.
 
Thats the problem with youngsters these days.  A little success and they belive they're the all time best.


All this because we don't think swingarms are the SH*T...

You certainly seem to think that you are the all time best...


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Jeremie B.
McGill Baja Racing
2009-2011 Captain
minibaja.mcgill.ca


Posted By: Soccerdan7
Date Posted: May/01/2012 at 1:16pm
Originally posted by jeiB jeiB wrote:

 

All this because we don't think swingarms are the SH*T...

You certainly seem to think that you are the all time best...

+1

I think we should just leave it there and let Akron dream like its 1999.


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Danny

Cornell

(fall'07 - spring'12)
Former Captain / MEng / that guy with all the carbon
10 races, 7 top ten's, 2 overall wins


Posted By: Akron 1998 to 2004
Date Posted: May/01/2012 at 1:28pm
I didn't start this, wasn't even invovled in 3/4 of the trash talk.......................................Maybe not the best, but I'm easily in the top 3 all time!!!


Posted By: jeiB
Date Posted: May/01/2012 at 1:35pm
Originally posted by Akron 1998 to 2004 Akron 1998 to 2004 wrote:

I didn't start this, wasn't even invovled in 3/4 of the trash talk.......................................Maybe not the best, but I'm easily in the top 3 all time!!!


Not you, your team might be, unless you designed, built, competed all on your own.


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Jeremie B.
McGill Baja Racing
2009-2011 Captain
minibaja.mcgill.ca


Posted By: otto
Date Posted: May/01/2012 at 1:35pm
Originally posted by paasch paasch wrote:

I know I'm a little late with this, but I'd like to express my sincere congratulations to Cornell for an outstanding performance at Auburn.  I hand timed your S&T run, and remember thinking at the time that you guys won the competition right there.

OSU scored 936 points at Auburn, more than enough to win any of the 2011 and 2010 North American competitions.  But it wasn't enough at Auburn, as Cornell posted the highest BajaSAE score since 2009.

Again, my congratulations, especially to Andrew and Danny.  We look forward to seeing you again in Wisconsin. 


Dr. Paasch - Thanks and good luck to you guys in Oregon this weekend.  As was already said, doing well at competition is a team effort (regardless of size) and is a culmination of proper planning, but most importantly being ready for anything (we had our fair share of scares during endurance...).

I'm looking forward to Wisconsin - the team turnout (and being the last competition of the year) looks like its going to lend itself to some healthy racing!

p.s. If OSU baja has any work for a grad student for the next 2 years... you know where I'll be


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Cornell Baja 2008-2012, suspension stuff
Oregon State 2012+, saw chain & some more baja


Posted By: AndyRIT
Date Posted: May/01/2012 at 2:08pm
Originally posted by Akron 1998 to 2004 Akron 1998 to 2004 wrote:

I didn't start this, wasn't even invovled in 3/4 of the trash talk.......................................Maybe not the best, but I'm easily in the top 3 all time!!!


That is a very bold statement to make as there is over 30 years of baja history.

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RIT Baja SAE Alumni 04'-09'
RIT Baja Team Manager 06'-08'
2010 RIT Track builder
2011 CAT/IL Comp Team Leader
2012 Wis vol
2013 RIT Track Builder
Diesel Calibration Engineer-Kohler Engines


Posted By: Akron 1998 to 2004
Date Posted: May/01/2012 at 2:10pm
Originally posted by jeiB jeiB wrote:

Not you, your team might be, unless you designed, built, competed all on your own.
Came close to doing that in 2004..........seriously, me and a few freshmen qualified to turn wrenches.  One of them could weld better than me.  I can honestly say that car was 90% me and I missed 1st overall by 4 points that yr.  Believe it or not.
But seriously, how did this threads devolve into being about how good I am?


Posted By: Soccerdan7
Date Posted: May/01/2012 at 2:15pm
Originally posted by Akron 1998 to 2004 Akron 1998 to 2004 wrote:

But seriously, how did this threads devolve into being about how good I am?

Because you claimed something that you can't back up and every other successful team would beg to differ with. This is not an individual competition no matter how much you want to think it is.


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Danny

Cornell

(fall'07 - spring'12)
Former Captain / MEng / that guy with all the carbon
10 races, 7 top ten's, 2 overall wins


Posted By: dillon_b12
Date Posted: May/01/2012 at 2:16pm
Originally posted by Akron 1998 to 2004<div><div></div><b>But seriously, how did this threads devolve into being about how good I am?</b></div>[/QUOTE Akron 1998 to 2004
But seriously, how did this threads devolve into being about how good I am?
[/QUOTE wrote:



It devolved into this because you are present in it.  I don't mean to personally attack you, but it se

It devolved into this because you are present in it.  I don't mean to personally attack you, but it seems your primary agenda when joining this forum was to observe what current teams are doing, tell them how they are doing it wrong, and brag about how unbelievable you were/are.

As someone that competed for a number of years, I'm sure you have a wealth of knowledge to contribute to this forum and community.  Please, contribute in a meaningful way.  What is the purpose of this whole competition if everyone is to build the same car?


Posted By: jeiB
Date Posted: May/01/2012 at 2:28pm
Originally posted by dillon_b12 dillon_b12 wrote:

Originally posted by Akron 1998 to 2004 Akron 1998 to 2004 wrote:

But seriously, how did this threads devolve into being about how good I am?


It devolved into this because you are present in it.  I don't mean to personally attack you, but it seems your primary agenda when joining this forum was to observe what current teams are doing, tell them how they are doing it wrong, and brag about how unbelievable you were/are.

As someone that competed for a number of years, I'm sure you have a wealth of knowledge to contribute to this forum and community.  Please, contribute in a meaningful way.  What is the purpose of this whole competition if everyone is to build the same car?

^ That.

I don't come here and post to argue/fight. I want to share ideas and knowledge about this awesome opportunity that is Baja SAE.


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Jeremie B.
McGill Baja Racing
2009-2011 Captain
minibaja.mcgill.ca


Posted By: Soccerdan7
Date Posted: May/01/2012 at 2:30pm
To get this thread back on track, here is a nice photo album I stumbled on to from TTU's facebook.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tonymarable/sets/72157629937354889/ - http://www.flickr.com/photos/tonymarable/sets/72157629937354889/


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Danny

Cornell

(fall'07 - spring'12)
Former Captain / MEng / that guy with all the carbon
10 races, 7 top ten's, 2 overall wins


Posted By: njgedr
Date Posted: May/01/2012 at 2:39pm

Just found this pic in your album, great picture, it will probably end up on our website


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Rowan Baja 2009-2012
Auburn 09
Peoria 11
Epreuve Du Norde 12
Auburn 12
Wisconsin 12

Mubea Development Engineer


Posted By: dillon_b12
Date Posted: May/01/2012 at 2:50pm
It would be nice if some of these large pictures were re-sized a little before posting.  


Posted By: schooter
Date Posted: May/01/2012 at 4:09pm
Was just paging through and noticed the pic below. First off, great pic!! But....anyone know if the geometry in the front was setup to toe in during droop or what's up with the toed in tires? Just curious.

Congrats to everyone! Just bringing something to compete with is alone a achievement, let alone the outstanding performance of the top teams. I'd like to give a shout out to John Hopkins for making it into the top 10. If I'm not mistaken, they're a young team w/o years of design or experience to back them up. Way to go!




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Chase Schuette
https://www.linkedin.com/in/chaseschuette/


Posted By: Soccerdan7
Date Posted: May/01/2012 at 4:14pm
Just to clarify, these are not my pictures or anyone from Cornell. I simply came across this guy's flickr when I was looking for pictures. He also has some from Birmingham 2011 and stuff as well.

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Danny

Cornell

(fall'07 - spring'12)
Former Captain / MEng / that guy with all the carbon
10 races, 7 top ten's, 2 overall wins


Posted By: paasch
Date Posted: May/01/2012 at 6:17pm
Originally posted by Akron 1998 to 2004 Akron 1998 to 2004 wrote:

I see how you provoke me Danny.  Yet you turned down my offer to go head to head against one of my “vintage” cars this Sunday at Washougal MX Park.  Rather convenient that you failed to sign up for the west coast competition months before I issued the challenge.

The Oregon organizers currently have the '08 OSU car for testing their event layouts.  I'm pretty sure you could talk one of them into a little swingarm/IRS head-to-head.  I'd suggest you start with the Rock Crawl. LOL



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Bob Paasch
Faculty Advisor
Oregon State SAE


Posted By: JeremyB
Date Posted: May/01/2012 at 7:26pm


Akron was a powerhouse at Midwest when I was in school*. At the same time, they were too chicken to come to the East (water) event, with the exception of 2004- where they placed a ho-hum 20th. [/turd in the punch bowl]

*FYI, Graduated in '03. Started organizing races in '06, began tech. inspecting in '08, and helped create this forum. I've seen some things. Wink


Posted By: CLReedy21
Date Posted: May/01/2012 at 8:47pm
The pics are courtesy Tony Marable who is a staff photographer at TTU.  If you are interested in using them for anything or just want the hi-res versions you can get in touch with him at tmarable@tntech.edu he's a really cool guy who has been coming to races with us and shooting for years.

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-Chris Reedy
TTU Alumni
Fourwheeler Drawer



"Quick with the hammer, slow with the brain."



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