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CLReedy21
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At 2:17 AM after a 42 hour shop marathon we got '09 rolling, barely but it rolls, then promtly left for Christmas. We're super excited because this didn't happen last year until mid February. Who else has a rolling chassis and where is everybody with their cars this year?
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-Chris Reedy
TTU Alumni Fourwheeler Drawer "Quick with the hammer, slow with the brain." |
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53caddy
Bolt Sorter Joined: Oct/23/2008 Location: Ooltewah, TN Status: Offline Points: 22 |
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We have the jig on the table. The tubing bent and currently we are doing weld test before we start welding the frame.
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karman1970
Milling Master Joined: Nov/18/2008 Location: Ft Worth,TexASS Status: Offline Points: 51 |
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Our frame is done and about 1/2 welded. The front arms are tack welded, just waiting on the threaded bungs and ball joints to show up. Trailing arms are being fabbed over break. We would have been rolling a month ago, but it's hard to buy stuff with no money. Should be running be the end of January (too bad I had to graduate and get a job).
Missouri S&T Edited by karman1970 - Dec/24/2008 at 11:46am |
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jhu42
Welding Master Joined: Jan/27/2009 Location: Columbus, Ohio Status: Offline Points: 145 |
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Just got the Steering finished, Car frame is fully welded with suspension going on next week.
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jhu42
Welding Master Joined: Jan/27/2009 Location: Columbus, Ohio Status: Offline Points: 145 |
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So update on the Hopkins Baja team. Feb-9-09
We are sizing up the suspension, but you can get a good idea of how the car will look from these pictures. Ground clearance is about 12" as it sits right now, but we will probably go with a static height of 8-9 inches. Also measured travel is about 7" on the front and rear. Rear Drive configuration: We are trying something new this year. We have a 2 stage chain reduction with a CVT. The kicker in the design is that the engine is actually over the rear tires. This reduces our wheel base by about 9 inches from last year. Hopefully it will give us a tighter turning radius. Questions? Let me know Later, Adam Edited by jhu42 - Feb/10/2009 at 7:31am |
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Adam Baumgartner
Social Media Director, #BajaMaryland Test Driver, Honda R&D Americas Inc Hopkins Baja, '07-'10 |
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dillon_b12
Baja Godfather Joined: Nov/15/2008 Status: Offline Points: 781 |
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We're waiting on uprights to be on wheels but we started working on body panels last night.
Here are the pics(the black tube above the panel is from last year and is being removed): Edited by dillon_b12 - Feb/14/2009 at 3:40pm |
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jhu42
Welding Master Joined: Jan/27/2009 Location: Columbus, Ohio Status: Offline Points: 145 |
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oh man love the front hood riser.
looks like a dragster or something |
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Adam Baumgartner
Social Media Director, #BajaMaryland Test Driver, Honda R&D Americas Inc Hopkins Baja, '07-'10 |
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dillon_b12
Baja Godfather Joined: Nov/15/2008 Status: Offline Points: 781 |
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Thanks man. Our Formula team didn't think we could make it lol. We're lucky enough to have a talented sheet metal man on the team.
We ran a smaller one last year and it was great for placing the tach and kill and we hid the master cylinder reservoirs under it. |
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infocustrasti
Bolt Sorter Joined: Feb/16/2009 Location: Dayton, OH Status: Offline Points: 20 |
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Check our website.
http://sae.udayton.edu/new/ We had issues finding a tube bender. We were delayed about 2 weeks getting somebody to bend 1-1/8" tube... Finally we are building again. Going together nicely. Hopefully the details wont kill us. Will post pics once we have a more complete car. Hector |
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dillon_b12
Baja Godfather Joined: Nov/15/2008 Status: Offline Points: 781 |
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We bought our own bender last year and it was definitely a great investment.
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jhu42
Welding Master Joined: Jan/27/2009 Location: Columbus, Ohio Status: Offline Points: 145 |
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Wow, I want to be your driver!!!!! Corbeau Race seat. All we have is an cheap sheet Aluminum one. How are you mounting it to the frame and do you recommend it?
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Adam Baumgartner
Social Media Director, #BajaMaryland Test Driver, Honda R&D Americas Inc Hopkins Baja, '07-'10 |
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infocustrasti
Bolt Sorter Joined: Feb/16/2009 Location: Dayton, OH Status: Offline Points: 20 |
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To tell you the truth it is heavy... 18 Lbs... we were looking into getting something lighter like plastic or aluminum but plastic seems like it lacks support and the aluminum one was a bit out of our price range (kirkey). Which seat are you guys using?
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adrive7
Baja Godfather Joined: Oct/19/2008 Location: Lancaster, CA Status: Offline Points: 711 |
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For our seats we made a mold off a production seat, and then layup a new one out of fiberglass. They generally work well. Lightweight too. We don't do any special layups either. Just lay the fiberglass on the mold a spread resin over it. Not the prettiest, but it works.
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-Joe
Chief Organizer, Baja California 2016, 2017, 2019 Ohio State Baja 2005-2009 Co-Host, Science... Sort Of http://www.sciencesortof.com |
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jhu42
Welding Master Joined: Jan/27/2009 Location: Columbus, Ohio Status: Offline Points: 145 |
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for our seat we used the 10 degree economy layback. But we have modified it substantially. We have cut aways for the seatbelts to go through at shoulder level and have drilled 3" holes on the back to reduce almost all of the weight. Our seat weights about 5 lbs. We then use a black cover for the seat.
But there is almost no padding, so it is a very rough ride. Also when it gets dirty it looks bad and cheap. http://www.kirkeyracing.com/index.php?link=browse&code=Series19 |
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Adam Baumgartner
Social Media Director, #BajaMaryland Test Driver, Honda R&D Americas Inc Hopkins Baja, '07-'10 |
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dillon_b12
Baja Godfather Joined: Nov/15/2008 Status: Offline Points: 781 |
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We carved our seat out of a block of foam and then covered it with 2 way stretch spandex. It has tons of cushion and support and weighs 3.5lbs.
Kind of hard to see but you get the idea... |
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infocustrasti
Bolt Sorter Joined: Feb/16/2009 Location: Dayton, OH Status: Offline Points: 20 |
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UPDATE!!!!
Seat needs to be modified a bit to fit all the drivers and still not put any pressure on the seat belt... Front suspension is being mocked-up... BTW Notice the power adder!!! Rear frame should come together Today!!! Hope to have a Rolling frame by next week at the latest |
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adrive7
Baja Godfather Joined: Oct/19/2008 Location: Lancaster, CA Status: Offline Points: 711 |
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Looks good.
We are are still waiting on Polaris parts before we can get on wheels, but the frame is coming along nicely. We have some issues with our rear upright tubes, they didnt get bent right. So we are still trying to figure out what to do about that. Once all of our parts finally show up, it should go together pretty quick. Just need to find time to work on the Design Report... |
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-Joe
Chief Organizer, Baja California 2016, 2017, 2019 Ohio State Baja 2005-2009 Co-Host, Science... Sort Of http://www.sciencesortof.com |
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dillon_b12
Baja Godfather Joined: Nov/15/2008 Status: Offline Points: 781 |
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You guys like those tires? We used them in the front several years back and they made our car push horribly.
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infocustrasti
Bolt Sorter Joined: Feb/16/2009 Location: Dayton, OH Status: Offline Points: 20 |
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The last time i used them was on the Louisville Midnight event and they worked awesomely... before we were pushing not we fixed most of it by adjusting TOE-OUT... The car was even tail happy!!
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adrive7
Baja Godfather Joined: Oct/19/2008 Location: Lancaster, CA Status: Offline Points: 711 |
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Here's the 2009 car so far. Still missing a rear end.
And our sweet new CVT Plate Edited by adrive7 - Feb/18/2009 at 4:53pm |
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-Joe
Chief Organizer, Baja California 2016, 2017, 2019 Ohio State Baja 2005-2009 Co-Host, Science... Sort Of http://www.sciencesortof.com |
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JHrdy724
Bolt Sorter Joined: Oct/24/2008 Location: AUburn Status: Offline Points: 37 |
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our wheels are mounted. wish that counted for something
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There are three easy ways of losing money - racing is the quickest, women the most pleasant, and farming the most certain.
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Rob71zilla
Welding Master Joined: Feb/09/2009 Location: Utica, NY Status: Offline Points: 324 |
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I love the mounting of the control arms...no bump steer would be sweet.
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Robbie
Former Team Captain SUNY Institute of Technology Current Engineer for Remington Arms A Redline a day keeps the carbon away. |
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CLReedy21
Baja Godfather Joined: Nov/30/2008 Location: Marysville, OH Status: Offline Points: 736 |
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Got our new set mounted today, wohoo not Terras!
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-Chris Reedy
TTU Alumni Fourwheeler Drawer "Quick with the hammer, slow with the brain." |
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karman1970
Milling Master Joined: Nov/18/2008 Location: Ft Worth,TexASS Status: Offline Points: 51 |
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Since I graduated in December, I haven't been around to see much. Hopefully I'll get some seat time before Alabama! Far as I know, they should be rolling by the end of next week. Main hold up has been waiting for parts to show up.
http://s679.photobucket.com/albums/vv151/mstbajafoto/ Wes Thomas Missouri S&T Alum |
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jhu42
Welding Master Joined: Jan/27/2009 Location: Columbus, Ohio Status: Offline Points: 145 |
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Got the frame back from painting this Monday. Man I love powdercoating; we usually just spray paint it :). We are looking to start testing this Saturday. We are running the new CV Tech CVT so we need to get the right settings dialed in.
Later, Adam Pics of the paint job. |
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Adam Baumgartner
Social Media Director, #BajaMaryland Test Driver, Honda R&D Americas Inc Hopkins Baja, '07-'10 |
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dillon_b12
Baja Godfather Joined: Nov/15/2008 Status: Offline Points: 781 |
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Have you noticed that the rebound damping on the Floats is crazy slow?
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thompm1
Milling Master Joined: Oct/23/2008 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 72 |
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We began testing last Thur. I will post pictures at a later date
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Michael
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jhu42
Welding Master Joined: Jan/27/2009 Location: Columbus, Ohio Status: Offline Points: 145 |
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Yeah it is!!!! I cant figure it out. I will keep you posted on how the testing goes. |
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Adam Baumgartner
Social Media Director, #BajaMaryland Test Driver, Honda R&D Americas Inc Hopkins Baja, '07-'10 |
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Adam_BU
Bolt Sorter Joined: Mar/26/2009 Status: Offline Points: 6 |
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Adam from Bucknell Baja here. We build our Mini Baja car as a mechanical engineer senior design project so you'll never see the same face from one year to the next! In any case, we've already put about 10 hours of driving into this year's car and it's running very well.
All it's missing is a nice paint job and some body panels. |
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AlexW
Bolt Sorter Joined: Feb/24/2009 Location: Knoxville Status: Offline Points: 12 |
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From UTK, we just got rolling tonight! Much to our chagrin, we discovered a clanking from the rear diff, but looks to be the result of not having any grease in it. She's all painted up, and we lack the correct sprockets and braking system installation.
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Alex Wilkins
Co-Captain, Team Tennessee apcsi.utk.edu/sae |
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johnpate01
Welding Master Joined: Mar/09/2009 Location: Knoxville, TN Status: Offline Points: 150 |
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Here is what we have. See http://apcsi.tennessee.edu/sae/Photo%20Gallery/2008/2008%20Photo%20Gallery.htm for more pictures of our build.
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-John
Co-Captain, Team Tennessee 2008-2010 |
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jhu42
Welding Master Joined: Jan/27/2009 Location: Columbus, Ohio Status: Offline Points: 145 |
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Hey all,
Here's a video we made of our team building our car. I am sure most teams can relate. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGCEYgOlXi8 Later, Adam |
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Adam Baumgartner
Social Media Director, #BajaMaryland Test Driver, Honda R&D Americas Inc Hopkins Baja, '07-'10 |
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zehlerdj
Bolt Sorter Joined: Nov/23/2008 Location: Clarkson Status: Offline Points: 34 |
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We had an eventful weekend here starting with an ultimatum set by our adviser that we don't go to East if we weren't driving over the weekend. So after about 800 miles of driving around to pick up and deliver shafts and things and 46 hours personally we met the deadline. Sorry were going to keep her a secret though til East we'd like you to be surprised, haha. Looking forward to seeing what everyone has for cars though, I know we may have dropped close to 200 lbs from our 590 lb beast at East last year were expecting a lot of the same at East from everyone, 13 days til we leave and cannot wait.
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Dan Z.
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adrive7
Baja Godfather Joined: Oct/19/2008 Location: Lancaster, CA Status: Offline Points: 711 |
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We are in the "rolling chassis that needs a lot of finish welding" stage right now. We were plagued by supplier issues in getting our gearbox casing machined which held up chassis fab. We are still waiting on the shafts for our gearbox, but once we get those, we can make our halfshafts and should be able to drive around. My goal is for driving to happen this weekend. Unfortunately this is also being held up by suppliers. Hopefully everything comes in this week.
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-Joe
Chief Organizer, Baja California 2016, 2017, 2019 Ohio State Baja 2005-2009 Co-Host, Science... Sort Of http://www.sciencesortof.com |
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mikez
Rules Reps Webmaster Joined: Oct/09/2008 Status: Offline Points: 150 |
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That's great news guys. zehlerdj, glad you pulled it off.
The one thing we hate about organizing for East is that (since we're in the South), we always get asked to be the first competition of the season, which always has a really high no-show rate. This year, we've only received something like 84 design reports, which is a shame because that means there's almost no chance of more than 84 teams showing up, max--a bit of a bummer when we started with a sold-out roster and more than a handful of teams begging to be put on a waiting list (which SAE is not really set up to do currently, so sadly they were turned away). We're hoping that since nobody has floats just this once that maybe it'll be a bit better and we won't lose any more. All of us organizers (especially those of us who are Baja alumni, which is the majority) are really pumped about the Auburn competition this year, and we can't wait for you guys to get down here and have a great time. We have made a ton of improvements that we really feel you guys will find awesome. 13 days and counting! |
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AlexW
Bolt Sorter Joined: Feb/24/2009 Location: Knoxville Status: Offline Points: 12 |
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It's hard to believe that we are so close to the competition. We need only a few bolts for the brake calipers and our sprocket (awaiting delivery...hopefully will be here Friday), before she's ready to drive. Just a couple of more items before we are completely done and ready to race!
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Alex Wilkins
Co-Captain, Team Tennessee apcsi.utk.edu/sae |
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squirrel
Bolt Sorter Joined: Jan/28/2009 Location: FL Status: Offline Points: 23 |
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Last year we had the same problem with a supplier not producing
our transmission case that was integrated into our design. This forced us
to make some swing arm mounting changes the night before Tennessee in the
parking lot to accommodate the stock transmission case. I’m sure the Tennessee
guys remembered that. That whole week before comp everyone at the shop got very
little sleep. But in the end we got it done and the first time I drove the car
was at the practice area. I am sure most of you know what it’s like. Don’t give
up till it’s over. This Sunday I am shooting for a driving car. Just a few more
things need to be made. If I can find some time I will slip some pics in. |
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USF
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smock
Milling Master Joined: Mar/24/2009 Location: Augusta, GA Status: Offline Points: 60 |
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Ditto. Fingers crossed. |
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Andrew Smock
Design Engineer John Deere Commercial Products Augusta, GA UA Baja Team Leader 2006-2009 UA SAE President 2010 www.uabaja.com |
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collinskl1
Baja Godfather Joined: Jan/21/2009 Location: Saginaw, MI Status: Offline Points: 1056 |
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we've been driving our car for about 2 weeks... we've torn it down to paint today and tomorrow, hopefully back together by Sunday, and covers and finish details this next week.
hopefully...
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Kyle Collins
Lipscomb University Alumni 2x Project Manager Nexteer Automotive Product Engineer, Electronic Power Steering ... and the 8th simple machine: a bigger hammer. |
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53caddy
Bolt Sorter Joined: Oct/23/2008 Location: Ooltewah, TN Status: Offline Points: 22 |
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We just got the frame completely welded up last night. We have it going to sand blast today and painting it today also. Hopefully we will have it driving by Monday.
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adrive7
Baja Godfather Joined: Oct/19/2008 Location: Lancaster, CA Status: Offline Points: 711 |
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Just found out from my supplier that I probably won't have my gearbox parts until Wednesday! Ugh.
Probably just paint before testing now and then hope we don't have any major welding to do. Going to be a busy couple of days next week. |
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-Joe
Chief Organizer, Baja California 2016, 2017, 2019 Ohio State Baja 2005-2009 Co-Host, Science... Sort Of http://www.sciencesortof.com |
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karman1970
Milling Master Joined: Nov/18/2008 Location: Ft Worth,TexASS Status: Offline Points: 51 |
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We've been running for about 3 weeks. They finally got it out for some major thrashing last night and today. GPS showed a top speed of just over 35 (gear limited). Glad to report no failures, though they found a couple things that need to get modified/reenforced. I'll post a couple pics once I get them.
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smock
Milling Master Joined: Mar/24/2009 Location: Augusta, GA Status: Offline Points: 60 |
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Got her 90% ready this weekend. All we have left to do (for testing) is bleed the brakes and then we have 2 months for romping to work out any kinks before Wisconsin.
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Andrew Smock
Design Engineer John Deere Commercial Products Augusta, GA UA Baja Team Leader 2006-2009 UA SAE President 2010 www.uabaja.com |
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AlexW
Bolt Sorter Joined: Feb/24/2009 Location: Knoxville Status: Offline Points: 12 |
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Just got it running tonight for a spin! Little loose on the throttle and CVT belt, and still need to add the second brake reservoir. Should be good to go!
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Alex Wilkins
Co-Captain, Team Tennessee apcsi.utk.edu/sae |
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Rob71zilla
Welding Master Joined: Feb/09/2009 Location: Utica, NY Status: Offline Points: 324 |
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Well after about an hour of debating, our team decided to go with last years frame which is very similar to this years. Reason being is that we didn't feel as though my welds would be sufficient enough for the judges. I'm pretty confident that they would be ok but we would rather be 100% sure. Last year's frame welder is better than I am so we decided to go with the guaranteed route. Now it's even more of a mad scramble to get the car finished..... Leaving for Alabama in one week. See you guys there
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Robbie
Former Team Captain SUNY Institute of Technology Current Engineer for Remington Arms A Redline a day keeps the carbon away. |
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jhu42
Welding Master Joined: Jan/27/2009 Location: Columbus, Ohio Status: Offline Points: 145 |
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Hey Guys,
Just an update on the Hopkins Baja team testing. We went with a rear engine configuration. This makes it so the car does understeer a bit. However, what we have found is that high speed stability over rocks and bumps is phenomenal!! Also, it jumps totally flat. check out this link to see. We usually run floats all around, but found them rebounding too slow in the front and switched to coilovers Later, Good luck and see you in AL Edited by jhu42 - Apr/08/2009 at 7:46pm |
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Adam Baumgartner
Social Media Director, #BajaMaryland Test Driver, Honda R&D Americas Inc Hopkins Baja, '07-'10 |
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karman1970
Milling Master Joined: Nov/18/2008 Location: Ft Worth,TexASS Status: Offline Points: 51 |
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Rear engined cars will understeer as long as you're flat-out (no front end grip). Back off mid-turn, however, and they'll swap ends on you so fast you won't know what happened (weight transfer leading to huge grip changes and a big pendulum hanging out the back).
Ok, that's probably an exageration on Baja cars. Go drive an old 911 or air-cooled VW, though, and you'll know what I'm talking about! |
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Wes
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jhu42
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We tried that technique, and it would work... if we had a differential :( . I think a lot of the understeer comes from the locked drive wheels pushing the car straight.
Next year, differential for sure!! Now, to just find an old 911...... Later, Adam Edited by jhu42 - Apr/08/2009 at 8:39pm |
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Adam Baumgartner
Social Media Director, #BajaMaryland Test Driver, Honda R&D Americas Inc Hopkins Baja, '07-'10 |
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adrive7
Baja Godfather Joined: Oct/19/2008 Location: Lancaster, CA Status: Offline Points: 711 |
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Try stiffening up your rear end, and it will induce oversteer. Our car is rear engine with a locked rear and it's quite happy to oversteer. Stiff torsion bar helps with that.
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-Joe
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TerpsRacing-Dan
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Hey adam, where is that? Looks like a good location. You can also use your roll center axis to change over/understeer characteristics when designing suspensions. We are locked and rear engine, no problem going into oversteer if need be. Edited by TerpsRacing-Dan - Apr/10/2009 at 3:21pm |
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